Fran joins Shaelyn on her podcast, 《逃栖效应》（Flight-Alight） , for a relaxed conversation about subjectivity evolving amid mobility, and reflections on a decade working together on the research project (in Chinese).
Fran 做客 Shaelyn 的播客 《逃栖效应》（Flight-Alight） ，展开一场关于移动中的主体性演变轻松对话，并回顾两人在此研究项目中长达十年的参与历程（中文）。
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